After supper, Bill and I sat down with a cup of coffee and were talking about life, faith, struggles, hope--the basic stuff that all of humanity has been dealing with since the story of Job was written. Somehow we came around to talking about heaven and "what it's going to be like."
Be honest--the first image that comes to mind when I say "Heaven" is something like this:

Yeah, me too.
But for a couple years now I've been having some strange recoiling feelings from this kind of floaty, white, angelic, spirit, wings-and-harps image. Maybe not so much recoiling as much as, it just doesn't draw me in.
I think it's because there's no precedent for it here.
I'll make a suggestion that we're already getting some foretastes of what heaven will be like, but we aren't noticing. We're distracted by the clouds and the sound of harps when we close our eyes.
If we could erase the floaty vision from our mind's eye for a few months and start with a blank slate, I wonder what that picture above would look like?
Ok, this might be weird (but that's never stopped me from writing before). What if the way God made us somehow reflects what the "perfect state" would/will look like? What if our impulses and our habits and our emotions and our activities and our dreams and our fairy tales provide us with clues as to "what heaven will be like"?
What if life itself actually gives us glimpses of heaven from time to time? What if we can actually see or taste heaven once in a while?
I'm taken with wondering about the differences between Day One and today. The original garden was unfallen; there was open communion between God and his creation. There's something about the idea of a Garden that does grab me, unlike the picture above.
In the original Garden, let's just imagine that there were only three possibilities: good, better, and best.
Good might have been a state of pure potential. Moist, dark, rich soil--but you can't eat soil. It's good in itself, simply because there is such great potential. So, seeds are sewn, and hope springs up. Hope that one day soon, there will be great food to eat.
Better might have been watching the plant grow and the flowers blossom and the fruit begin to form and the rains falling to water the garden. And as things move along, there is greater and greater hope and anticipation of the harvest and then--
Best. Eating the fruit of the matured plant. The ultimate moment in the saga. The climax of the plant's life. Hope fulfilled. The cycle completed. One thing's purpose fulfilled in the service of another.
And in the original Garden, the soil would then revert to Good. And then it would begin again.
Good, better, best. Good, better, best. But not a static state of best.
There was planting and tending and waiting and harvesting and preparing and consuming--followed by planting and tending and...You get the idea.
This kind of thing is still happening. It's never stopped. There is potential all over the place.
Unfortunately, with the fall, another state was introduced, called Bad. Not only that, but things tend to slip now from better to merely good and even further to bad. And sometimes things stay bad and never get back to good.
Think of the essential human experiences. Among them are: heaviness, loneliness, forgetfulness, isolation, falling away. Just to name a few examples. They taint our experiences every day. They are the mud on the window, making it difficult to see clearly the seasons as they pass by.
I'll suggest that if we could live a week without them, then we would be amazed at the way things look.
What if heaven is a state kind of like we're in now, but with all the "bad" elements removed. What if the earth was again loaded with unfallen potential--and the cycle of Good, Better, Best was again placed in motion.
Where would we go with all that potential--walking side by side with each other and with the Creator and his Son, the King of the Universe. Wondering, thinking, planning, building, living, reigning.
Without the heaviness, the sorrow, the forgetting.
Take a nice deep breath of this air...

Ahhhh. That's better.
Now let's say that as the centuries of Good - Better - Best pass by that we have stuff to get done, places to go, things to discover. That we set about building, developing, improving, making things generally go from Good to Better to Best. That the King of the Universe sits on a throne somewhere and we get to fellowship with each other in complete openness and intimacy. That we get to have communion with the King, directly.
Revelation 21:
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying,
"Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
I think it was John Eldredge who said to notice the direction that the New Jerusalem takes--it's coming down. It comes here.
Coincidentally, Jesus talks about the Kingdom of God as coming as well. Over and over. It's remarkable. Remember what Jesus told us to pray?
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Maybe "Heaven on earth" is more than just a figure of speech.
Matthew 25:
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Then the King will say to those on his right,
"Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world."
Reminds me of Minis Tirith from Lord of the Rings.

Heaven on earth...
Anyway, that's what we were talking about last Saturday night.
The whole evening--the pizza, the coffee, the fellowship, the conversation, the daydreaming--was a "foretaste of glory divine."
This was a really comforting 'walk'. Funny how I've known those verses for years but never looked at them like that.
ReplyDeleteIt's a gray day today but I'm looking out the window thinking I don't think I'll look at things out there the same again.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Jon, Good to see another post from you. I’m not convinced of the existence of heaven but if there is I think it’s got to be more like what you described. Maybe I do believe it. That shot of the trees seems to hit the mark. It’s a melding of God’s creation and man’s interaction with it. Those trees were planted by men and organized to be beautiful to men. And quite successfully. I would say in the idyllic state we would not be so dang mean to each other. I would expect that we would be making and sharing beautiful things with each other.
ReplyDeleteJohn, "heaven" doesn't exist as pictured in #1 above. That's my point. Subtract the heaviness of life, and what do you got? Eden.
ReplyDeleteHeaven on earth.
So, are you doubting if there will be a resurrection?
Now that I think about it, the notion of "resurrection" and a pure spirit-heaven are somewhat contradictory. What's the need of a resurrection if we just end up "spirits" anyway?
I think your rejection of the immaterial man and my rejection of the pure spirit-heaven are very similar conclusions.
thats restoration theology. What if 'chaos' is the twin towers as they were prior to 2001 and order is the rubble overtaken by weeds, vines, tree seedlings. What if 'chaos' is rows planted straight and close and order is hunter-gatherer and planting in a sunny spot in the forest like native americans used to do? I have been laboring over this for a year now. If that is what restoration is then Revelations makes so much more sense now to me than it ever has before. What great things to wonder about as we run headlong toward Christ. Thanks for that!
ReplyDeleteSam, dude. Wow. You've mentioned Restoration Theology before, but I still don't have any insight into what it is. Whatever this is, seems to bring a few things into focus.
ReplyDeleteWhat you say about the twin towers and the row crops blows my mind. "Order" might be an illusion?
I'll say this much. God isn't the God of standardization. He's the God of variation.
God isn't the God of scale. He's the God of basic.
God isn't the God of complexity. He's the God of simplicity.
Whatever "better" and "best" turn out to be when the Kingdom comes in fulness won't look like the advances that we have made here in this world. It will be "development" without any of the destructive elements--I'm not sure we've ever seen what that looks like.
I have some other thoughts on this that I'll add later.
Jon
""What if heaven is a state kind of like we're in now, but all the "bad" elements removed."
ReplyDeleteWhat did the world look like when God looked at creation and said it was good? The forces of God's creation are constantly at work shaping and reshaping, cleansing, building, and every natural phenomena works in harmony to undo all that man would do to 'improve' and 'develop'. Its ironic to me that the word 'develop', from its latin origins, can mean 'to remove capabilities' yet we use it as a positive word.
"What if the earth was again loaded with unfallen potential--and the cycle of Good, Better, Best was again placed in motion."
To call it 'restoration theology' as I did is probably a misnomer unless I consider myself a 'restorationist' much as someone would call themselves 'protestant' (as in 'protestant' theology). We've fallen and we can't get up so we have a Saviour who is Jesus Christ and he has established his Kingdom in an 'already and not yet' way here on earth-in EVERY way imangineable, for his Glory, and all things will be made new. It was new once before and it will be new again.
I'm looking forward to reading the rest of your thoughts. It is just good to be alive.
Hi Jon.
ReplyDeleteI agree on your last point. I think my notion of man as a completely physical entity and yours of heaven being more of a physical place are ideas that seem to fall in the same big idea concept.
Not sure if I believe in resurrection at this point. If there is an after life I think we would have to be resurrected to experience it and if it is expected to be better than what we got now, sign me up.
I was thinking about this today in church. Humans cause suffering for other humans either through incompetence or corruption. That is someone makes an honest mistake, (like accidentally backing over their own child when pulling out of the drive way) or by purposely or negligently doing something wrong (like getting stone drunk, getting into a car, and running over your own child). I suppose that in the New World or Kingdom the idea is that we all would not do the later but what about the former. Would God make a world where we never made honest mistakes that hurt others? That is what I was thinking. Pretty half baked.
good question John. I doubt whether we'll be running over anyone because I just can't see internal combustion fitting into the whole eternity thing. Why would we need anything mechanical if we have forever to do things? For once I won't have to worry about getting up early to get the garbage out to the street - It'll biodegrade as I'm carrying it to the landfill.
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