
Now the Star-bellied Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-bellied Sneetches had none upon thars.
--Dr Seuss, The Sneeches
We've been taught that all people can be categorized into two groups: Christians and non-Christians. Believers and unbelievers. The "saved" and "unsaved."
Those who are IN and those who are OUT.
Sneeches with stars on their bellies, and sneeches with none upon thars.
And we've been told that being IN is the only way to be able to please God. In fact, only one of the categories can please God at all, in any way.
I've been wondering for a few years if this distinction is the best way to view things. And it's become unbearable.
If I live my life by the model of In or Out, then I must accept that every single person is in one of those two categories. Logically, (assuming that I am IN) the first thing I ought to do when meeting a new person is find out which category they are in. If they're Out, then I should try to get them In.
The trouble is, the In or Out model has become the central notion in defining the way we relate to one another. This is true for all denominations, all religions, all people of nearly every faith tradition. This has proven to be a divisive, disastrous mindset and teaching, for this reason:
In or Out has absolutely and completely taken the place of Love.
In or Out makes "believing together" more important than "living together." After all, the criteria for determining In or Out is what a person believes. The net result is that there's an awful lot of convincing going on--a lot of compelling, explaining, telling. Certainly not a lot of inviting.
Also, because we recognize a distinction between the Ins and the Outs, we end up treating the "Ins" differently than the "Outs." It ends up that I only like (love) those who are like me. Ugh.
How did it come to this?
With In or Out, the most important thing we can do for someone who is Out is to try to get them In. We unconsciously elevate some kinds of human activities above other kinds of activities. Soul-winning, evangelism, preaching, etc. (activities directed specifically at moving people from Out to In) are the ultimate.
Comforting the suffering, healing the sick, feeding the hungry, helping the poor--these are second rate activities, because they don't really (directly) move people from one category to the other.
Think on that for a minute.
Regarding In and Out, the best we get from Jesus is "Go all over the place and make disciples." Being a rabbi, His words made perfect sense to those listening, but have been reinterpreted in light of today's In or Out mentality.
I don't believe He was implying that we should roam the earth seeking to convert people, to get them In. He was actually saying something more tangible than that, something more like:
Go and teach as I have taught, live as I have lived, walk as I have walked, love as I have loved.And He didn't exactly tell us what this was all about. Jesus didn't say that we should teach, or live, or love with any particular objective in mind relative to In or Out. We don't love in order to obtain a result. We don't love in order to get something we want. We don't love to see something accomplished. We don't love people in order to "win" them.
We love because we can't help it. Jesus in us makes us loving. We love because we are "in Him." It's almost like the action of loving is the end in itself. That a good deed is good simply because it's good.
So what am I suggesting? I'm not saying we should change our methodology for getting people In. And I'm not saying that all people are In by default. I'm hoping there's something that trumps In or Out as the central mindset of our walk with Jesus.
Here's what I mean:
What if all people are forgiven; only some continue to walk in darkness. They are sheep, only they are LOST sheep. He came to seek and rescue those who were lost.
(Come to think of it, wouldn't it be best for us to help people who think they are found to actually "get lost"? Once they get there, to that lost wilderness, they'll be found and rescued by Jesus. Hmmm. May have to follow up on this one.)
What if Jesus got done what He came to do, and He did it fully, and that His desire is for all to know Him, the way He knows the Father (John 17)? And now He makes Himself known in a variety of ways--some of which result in hardly any noticeable outward differences, especially admission to a set of beliefs regarding "conversion".
What if Life isn't defined by a belief system? Or even better, what if Life doesn't happen right after the conscious decision to hold to a set of propositions (no matter how factual or accurate)?
What if a person can be IN Jesus without even "knowing" it--what if it isn't about choice or knowledge or certainty at all? What if Jesus continues to pick whom He will to follow Him?
After all, at what point did Jesus' closest followers actually "believe"? After His resurrection. And even then, one asked "Please help my unbelief!"
I'll push this further. What if by coming to know US, by being loved by US, those in darkness can see His Light? What if by coming to know us, those in darkness are coming to know Jesus? What if the Light that shines from us somehow helps them walk in the Light, even when it isn't coming from inside them yet? What if our Light somehow makes its way inside them?
What if we are Jesus to them? Would we continue to evaluate one another, and look for Stars upon Thars before loving them?
Here's a fun read, if you want to read the whole Dr. Seuss story and see how it all turned out: Bellies with Stars
What a lot to chew on! How liberating to leave behind Evangelism 101 and move on to simple LOVE. That changes everything. It seems so clear that was Jesus' approach. To watch him with the woman at the well or the woman caught in adultery. You can almost feel the love in his voice as he talks to these two. And He seemed to have no agenda other than to love them. How about the thief on the cross or Zaccheus in the tree? Where is his three point sermon or sales pitch to win them over to the "In" group? I think we make things much harder than they should be and much more sterile. Love is simple, but not necessarily clean. Sometimes your hands get dirty when you just love.
ReplyDeleteYou and Steve have taught me a lot about this very thing. Over the weekend, it came clear that Love was what has been traded in for Evangelism 101.
ReplyDeleteWe have come to a point where we love either because we owe someone something ("I love you because you first loved me!"), or because we hope to accomplish something ("I love you because I want to see you follow Jesus...").
Both of these redefine love from the simple goodness that Jesus displayed.
In the spirit of the season, let's just say, "So be good for goodness' sake!" (Which actually contradicts the message of the song.)
It isn't any more complicated than that.
I believe that many believers view love as something to be rationed out, never disbursed without careful regard. I think a lot of people view love as an investment. They believe that they need to be wise with their love and make the best use of it as if it were money to be spent. If it is not accomplishing something, then it is like a bad investment. It is amazing how much I am noticing that lately.
ReplyDeleteThere is such freedom in just loving for love's sake and not having to worry about measuring the results or determining who we should spend our love on.
Jon's newest post on his blog was made known to me for the first time tonight Jill and for some reason I didn't notice that he had posted his newest post several days ago. The crazy thing was I check it almost every day and I guess the second to the most recent post was the only one I could see on the screen. For some reason....hmmm... so I read it, liked it, told him so, and thought, boy I don't have much to add to that. But then I read your second post and said "hey" that is something that compels me to say something. Your comment about doling out love carefully. Ahhh...we do that so frequently. Deciding whether or not to "show it” to certain people. Like do they deserve it? Can they get themselves out of this mess if they just confess and pull up their own boot straps or something. A pretty carnal thought.
ReplyDeleteAnyway... deciding when to love should be the theme of a ladies bible study or something. Ha. I think it would make us all do radical stuff in Jesus name, if we could all just "get that". That it's okay to be fanatical about it and not be controlled about it, or "in our schedules". Schedules/routines can help us accomplish things, but they steal opportunities to love all the time. Don’t they?
I would have to say my husband is a radical giver of love. My mother as well. They hasve inspired me in huge ways, if in nothing else but attitude, and then I find myself acting or loving others because of their example.
A comment about your first post...the two women...I find myself thinking about those women as examples of tender forgiveness as well. It must hit especially hard because they were women... very vulnerable, to their sin...not to mention the village gossip. And Jesus spoke to their souls and forgave them. That stops the breathing for a little bit or could even cause a gasp or two that they were forgiven and in the most gracious, loving way.
Lots of good thoughts to think about aren’t there.
God Bless You and your dear family,
Lee S.
Lee,
ReplyDeleteI would love to sit down and have a long conversation with you on this subject. I can just see the four of us contemplating this topic over coffee. How fun! If you and your family ever want to take a vacation to Texas.... we would be thrilled!
Jill
Jill,
ReplyDeleteIt would be wonderful to meet all of you sometime. Maybe God will arrange it somehow.
Take care and we trust you will have a wonderful Christmastime with your family.
Lee
I think you need to rest in the security of being found without flaunting the certainty of it. I can be lost and found all at the very same time. I am never entirely found. I am never fully clean, just a little less dirty as time goes on.
ReplyDeleteSo we spend our lives employed as official belly inspectors...I have a sense that the Lord will feel about this the same as the man that buried his talents.
Keep blowing my mind brother.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Is it really a matter of being "in" or "out"? Doesn't our frustration stem from the fact that the insiders where "stars" instead of "hearts"?
Just a thought.
Dear readers,
ReplyDelete"What if the Light that shines from us somehow helps them walk in the Light, even when it isn't coming from inside them yet? What if our Light somehow makes its way inside them?"
- Jesus said, "...let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."
What is the light? Should we hide it under a bucket? Should we be ashamed of it?
It is imperative that we live lives above reproach. We cannot expect God to convict people with the words or actions that we convey if we do not live worthy of Him. Although, sometimes God even uses people who preach with wrong motives. This is simply because people hear the message and then believe. God works through the message, which is His word. It is true: If we do not love all men, then how can we expect God to love us?
However, loving men does not replace evangelism. All of the Lord Jesus' disciples must tell others! Why? Because He has commanded us to. The reason why he has He commanded us to tell others about who Jesus is? Because,
"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?"- Paul to the Romans
He has chosen us as instruments, while He himself does the convicting. Doing good works before men are clearly commanded. Preaching the Gospel is also commanded-2 Tim. 4, Matthew 28:20, etc... But preaching the Gospel, and loving people are not the same. Helping someone change a tire on the side of the road is good, but will not save them from eternal punishment. And we know this. Men must know who Jesus is and also believe in him. We will never be able to do enough good works to the point that someone's sin will be removed. We should not only help them with the tire, but also tell them about Him so that they will come to believe. We know that salvation is not by works. We know that salvation is by faith, not faith in someone else's good works.
With our(every Christian) duty to preach and evangelize, let us live also a pure religion-James 1:27
pray without ceasing- 1 thess 5
-Bondservant of the Lord Jesus
uh...love IS evangelism, homey. And it has many faces, not just one.
ReplyDeleteI'll take someone's do over say any day of the week. Keeps those putrid clanging cymbals away.
The God I know is into "well done" when I change a tire or help someone down on their luck, rather than into scurging me if I don't follow it up with "I did this for you in the name of Christ".
I let the Holy Spirit connect those dots. He does it oh so much better than I. Primarily because He knows them better than I do, and His customized dot-connecting in their heart easily trumps my blurbing some canned-text, cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all "Christ" statement.
Dear Brother Jon,
ReplyDelete"Action and message are one in the same (as John330 said). Good news is good news, in whatever form it comes."
At first I thought this "john330" was a scripture reference, so I looked it up. Therefore, I still am not convinced. This is why: men will go to hell if they do not know (hear) the Gospel. Do you agree with this?
"We do the loving, God does the calling."
-I agree. I think. -- We are suppose to love all, which is opposed to hating them. And the Holy Spirit actually opens the heart for men to hear the Gospel, as opposed to a notion which would say, "every time I preach someone is convicted, because I am a super preacher!"(Acts 16:14). This notion is absurd :)
"Actually, Jesus didn't spend a lot of time commanding people to evangelize."
-So our Lord has commanded us?
"He spent a lot of energy getting people to love and live as He did. He tried to open eyes to "the kingdom.""
-Extra question: What is this "kingdom" Jesus was trying to open their eyes to?
As always with my love,
Your benevolent brother-in-law :)
Boy! What a fun read!
ReplyDeleteGood stuff! Keeps me coming back. That RSS feed reader doesn't catch the comments so I missed some of this until today!
The only thing I wonder about is... I understand that you are supposed to try to evangelize to people, be it through direct i.e. "If you were to die tonight do you know where ....." or indirect "Hey can I help you with that tire..."
Personally, and this just personal opinion, I can't imagine how people would respond in a receptive way to the "direct". I've watched the 20-something mormon kids out there approaching people in parks while they're eating and they may be doing it out of love but I can't help feeling like they're treating people like commodities and they're treating the whole "thing" as some sort of spiritual monetary value to them. My point is I just distrust the whole approach and I'm suprised when it works. I'm especially suprised when I hear it works for somebody my age or older who doesn't respond well to that (set in their ways to some degree). Whatever.. I'm babbling. All I know is, for the people I love I would do alot for and consider their thoughts. For some guy approaching me in the park with an agenda the lack of interest in me as a person SEEMS the opposite of love (apathy). They have concern for my soul but don't seem to care anything about me cause they're trying to cash in on the "soul-save". But, what I want to know is how do you seperate my soul from me. It seems counter-productive.
I've seen too much of it in my old church (Baptist). I guess I'm a little jaded on that whole deal. I know I'm developing trust with people because I care about them and those same people I have acquaintances with will look @ people who use that "direct" approach with disgust. Who has a better opportunity to reach that person? And who's being trusted?
Just my two cents.
Luke, you're a good man. Let's talk this through.
ReplyDelete"Men will go to hell if they do not know (hear) the Gospel."
I wonder what it's like to live in hell while still walking on two legs.
"So our Lord has commanded us...?"
Interesting, but in general, Jesus' words don't come across to me as commands. More like invitations. (You have to admit that His words don't have the same tone that Paul's do.) How did we ever come to the point where we use the word "command" as capturing the essence of His message? He fulfilled the Law, and the only place I can see "command" fitting in is under the framework of Law. His Law was Love (a new command I give you...)
"What is this 'kingdom' Jesus was trying to open their eyes to?"
On this blog, we spend our time trying to figure out what it takes to see it. One day we'll have a better picture of what it actually is.
So far I can say this--
> it's mysterious. "Wondering" is an essential part of seeing (and dwelling within) this kingdom.
> it isn't entered through the door of knowledge. In fact, it requires a suspension of reason to accept it.
> it cannot be explained propositionally, nor does acceptance of a set of propositions constitute entry to the kingdom.
> it's almost always the opposite of what we "thought." Look at the number of times people made assumptions about things and Jesus said, "Actually, it's really small, not huge. It's quiet, not loud. It's meek, not powerful. It's about serving, not ruling."
Read some of my other posts before you come down on my avoidance of your questions. I'll just say, there's a part of a person that can't be touched by Evangelism 101.
[Aaron, I've been burned by that RSS feed thing too. Bugs me that they can't figure out how to notify me when somebody's posted on a thread.]
ReplyDeleteAn RSS feed is a method of sending new posts from blogs (or news articles, or almost anything) out to the "subscriber" so that he doesn't have to go visit the blog (or CNN or Yahoo or whatever). You can download a little "RSS Reader" that sits on your desktop and alerts you when someone posts--mainly it keeps you from having to go visit a blog a hundred times a day to see if there's any new action.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, they only alert you to new threads, NOT to follow up posts.
Ok, I'm no good with math. It's only taken 18 years to unravel the web of doctrine I mentioned above.
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to make that much clear.
A little clarification on some of the more sensitive subjects that I listed above (at the risk of falling into a theological debate):
ReplyDelete> Total depravity. Somehow I like the word Fallen a lot better than "Depraved."
On top of that, I believe now that the New Covenant written in Jesus' blood makes us into a newly created, lovely dwelling place for Jesus. The picture I have is of the first day when the tabernacle was set up, and the glory of Jehovah descended upon it, with so much grandeur that Moses could not enter.
"Total Depravity" has been used for far too many years to shame people into a "decision". Point #1 in the propositional gospel.
> Eternal security. I don't know why I listed this one, except that it seems irrelevant, in light of my initial post in this thread. People worrying about eternal security are thinking very two-dimensionally. I prefer to think of it this way: Eternal Life or Eternal Hell have started already for all of us. I want to help my neighbor out of the hell he is in.
> Literal hell, literal heaven. Our ideas of heaven and hell tend to be very ethereal--harps and clouds for heaven, flames and lava for hell. I don't know what to make of hell yet.
I do believe that there will be a resurrection, and that resurrection will result in us living out our days on THIS earth. We were made for this kind of life, after all. Dirt between the toes, tending and watering and raising animals.
Isaiah 65 seems to paint a very nice picture of it: "They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit."
Hi John,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to let you know I enjoyed your post and the many exciting comments that followed.
H.
Hi Jon,
ReplyDeleteBeen thinking about you over there in the Sudan.
This whole blog shows that you've been doing a lot of thinking about spiritual things. I like that - it's important. Occasionally I don't know what you mean, though. Call me dense :-
I was wondering what you meant when you said something about not liking the idea that the Bible can be "articulated in proposition form". What do you mean by 'proposition form'?
John - me again.
ReplyDeleteI just noticed that you used the word 'Gospel' not 'Bible' but the question remains the same. (This is a loooong page so I had to scroll way down there to look at it again. :)
Hi Jon,
ReplyDeleteLove is only Part of evangelism.... a very important part.. but not the whole thing.
Question: What do you feel the diciples were telling people when they were putting their lives at peril telling people about Jesus... or were they necessarily telling them anything other than God is love and Jesus came and showed us that by the way He lived? If That was so why would they have eventually had to pay for that with their lives? jp
I have a question Jon,
ReplyDeleteWould you consider yourself to be a good person?
-Lucas
I really don't want to come across as a know-it-all, or as a heathen, or as a heretic. I'm just a guy.
ReplyDeleteI am simply letting the spiritual messages that I've always heard be knit back together with the entire range of our human experience.
The gospel pertains to all of life. The way we live, talk, sing, work, heal, dream, walk, and reason.
I have simply come to a point where I believe that the purely rational part (the propositional) comes last.
I love you guys. Hope you still love me, too.
Al walks a parking lot, placing hundreds of "Four Spiritual Laws" tracts under windshield wipers.
ReplyDeleteBob stands outside a major sporting event with a megaphone, warning telling passers-by about hell and insisting they need to repent.
Cliff gives a traveling hobo a ride 400 miles across the country. When he gets out of the car, Cliff gives the man enough money to eat for twenty days.
Dan, once a month except for November or December, goes to the grocery store and buys a basketful of food staples. He takes the food to a low-income apartment complex, quietly places the bags in the middle of the courtyard, and leaves.
Jon,
ReplyDeleteI just want to mention that I was noticing that you didn't answer my question about what would you say to your neighbor if he was really open? Don't forget that. But then I noticed that I did the same thing to one of your questions I think. It was at the end of your reply to my first one here.
My answer is: Yes - I know what you mean so I'll mention your neighbor again and to go back there...what would you tell him if he got to that point...but you knew he was open for the answer? As for me - what I think -I know where I can get my answers and where I can lay my burdens down (Usually after I've knocked myself out and buised myself bloody first.)
I don't have any idea what I would/will say to him. I don't have an agenda for him, but let me describe his hell.
ReplyDeleteHe's single, mid-40s, never married. Overweight. Struggling with depression. Parents have died. Holidays are depressing.
Perfectionist (you have no idea). Mission-less. Same job 26 years. Threat of layoffs.
Embarrassed about the things he likes (raising miniature pomeranian dogs, parakeets, and "show guppies", growing hostas, landscaping).
Ashamed to be seen as himself. Friends are almost exclusively women.
Ok, that's a description of the prison in which he's held captive. His restoration will clearly be about more than simply "forgiveness."
The guy needs overall restoration, of the kind that only Jesus can work.
God has made me a story collector and a story teller. I don't believe I have "the answer" for him, but I do have a ministry. My part might be to simply help him recover hope that his life might amount to something. I may not have a part at all.
Maybe the eyes of his heart will open around the campfire in my back yard, in the dark, after talking about his story, my story, and maybe that of Joseph or some other perfectionist in the scripture (I'm not a perfectionist, so my story won't work!). God has a way of reminding me of other stories whenever I hear one told. Telling them is my way of following the Wild Goose.
Lee told me that two weeks ago he decided to visit a church with a friend. On his own. Just decided he wanted to go once.
I love that. The flag flutters in the slightest breeze. I wonder if that's what Jesus was talking about with Nicodemus ("...the Wind blows where it will...")?
Here's my strategy: love him with no agenda, invite him further and further into our lives, give him a safe place to bleed, be ready to tell him my story when he asks (it will include the story of my own restoration), accept every invitation that he offers me, continue to ask him questions every time I see him (I'm really curious, so that's easy).
Generally follow the Wild Goose.
I'm planning to invite him over to tell him about Africa over pizza--
Why do I care about what people have to eat? Why would I take a bullet to help farmers in Southern Sudan grow soybeans?
Because God is in the business of restoring everything that fell when we ate the wrong fruit--He wants to restore
1. People to Himself
2. People to each other
3. People to the "Garden"
And in doing so, He'll be restoring all things to Himself. It's Jesus' kingdom, and He reigns. And this is what He's asked me to do.
Come to think of it, my neighbor is really a caretaker of this garden we call Earth, so that would be an easy conversation.
I believe Life can spring up inside my neighbor without me telling him "you're a sinner." He knows about pain, and loss, and sin.
I believe he can become hungry for the explanations without me inviting him to church or talking about "righteousness."
I believe that as he hears the stories of those who have walked with God that the hardships of his life will begin to make sense.
I believe that Jesus will introduce Himself to my neighbor as this kind of King:
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
And that may be all the invitation my neighbor needs to choose to follow Him.
But who knows, really?
Thanks for hanging with me on this one. Sorry I haven't gotten back to it for a few days. Been trying to let this thread settle a little after all the commotion I stirred up behind the scenes...
ReplyDeleteA couple quotes for us all to chew on:
"There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any one moment out of hell, but the mere pleasure of God." (from Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God)
A striking statement that stirs the imagination indeed. It's no wonder he had their attention.
Here's another from Simon Tugwell, with a slightly different spin:
"So long as we imagine that it is we who have to look for God, we must often lose heart. But it is the other way about; He is looking for us. And so we can afford to recognize that very often we are not looking for God; far from it, we are in full flight from him, in high rebellion against him. And He knows that and has taken it into account. He has followed us into our own darkness; there where we thought finally to escape him, we run straight into his arms. So we do not have to erect a false piety for ourselves, to give us the hope of salvation. Our hope is in his determination to save us, and he will not give in."
Jon,
ReplyDeleteYES indeed! I like that one! That is just the way I have felt - that God reached down to me! It is very humbling.
If I might add....He also sent Jonah to Nineveh with a message. They weren't searching for Him but - He got everyone's attention.
JP